just for the record in RL the Soviets would have worked the Wolverines,...

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  1. preshlock

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    that resistance wouldn't have lasted long
     
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    Just think of how it really would have gone when they baited the Soviets with that picnic basket bomb.
     
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    girl {can't remember if that was Lea or Jennifer} would have been instantly mowed down. The guys would have had to awkwardly wait in their covered foxholes until the Soviets left. Probably would have learned to not try that again.
     
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    mostly Cubans and regular Russian army, wily American teenagers could easily defeat such forces, The Spetsnaz had to be called in to defeat the Wolverines.

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    regular Soviet Army would have kicked their asses. Spetsnaz would not of even had to try.
     
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    Wrong. You, like most amateur warfare experts underestimate the power of loosely organized guerilla warfare. The Wolverines were fighting in their home terrain, with weapons they understood, against a poorly trained regular military that would be completely unfamiliar with rural Colorado (especially the filthy Cubans). The goal of the Wolverines was not to drive the communist scum out of the United States but to undermine their authority over the captive locals and ruin the morale of their soldiers with repeated assaults and terrorist attacks - which would not be hard to achieve in real life. If you want to see that strategy employed to devastating effect look no further than the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in the 80’s, rag tag armies of severely outnumbered and outgunned Afghans used their knowledge of the mountainous terrain to drive the Soviets out. Granted they paid a devastating price, but the lesson is that whoever’s home is getting invaded will always be willing to sacrifice more than the invader, and for whatever reason mountainous regions have proven near impossible (even to this day) to completely dominate.
     
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    I would not categorize the Soviet Army as poorly trained. My point was not that guerrilla warfare does not work but that the Wolverines would have been on the wrong end of a very lopsided kill ratio. Would have been getting their ass kicked especially early on. No way that core group would have been causing that much damage especially against the Soviets and especially when the Spetsnatz got there. As for being an "amateur" military historian I taught military history at LSU and was an officer in the army. What are your credentials?
     
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    it doesn't get higher stakes than 1980s action. These movies are like the sacred scrolls of old.
     
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    A bachelors degree in communications from Texas Tech and have watched Red Dawn no less than 20 times so I don't think you can touch me on this one, bud.
     
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    I wonder if Red Dawn takes place in an alternate universe. In 1984 a new Soviet super silent sub was launched under the command of the Vilnius School Master Marko Ramius. Clearly the new class of subs is how the Soviets were able to slip by and launch a first strike so the Soviet Army could advance to the Mississippi. Lt. Col Tanner evens says "those Soviet missiles were a hell of a lot more accurate than we thought." Probably because they were being launched undetected point black right from off our shores. While we "listening to our rock&roll" the Soviets were conducting missile drills.

    Or maybe Red Dawn is what happened in 1984 and Hunt for the Red October is a fevered dream of a Soviet sub captain who knew his ship had been "built for one purpose and one purpose alone" and failed to act.

    John Milius was heavily involved in both and Basil Poledouris scored both. Really makes you think.
     
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